Part 1b: Constructing the Ezekiel Day-Year Symbolic Chart: Methodology and Historical Context

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Part 1b: Constructing the Ezekiel Day-Year Symbolic Chart: Methodology and Historical Context
Part 2a (Day-Year Symbolism in Ezekiel)
Part 2b (Day-Year Symbolism in Ezekiel)
Part 2c (Day-Year Symbolism in Ezekiel)
Part 3: (Day-Year Symbolism at the Exodus and Conquest)
Part 4a: (Day-Year Symbolism at the Genesis Flood)
Part 4b: (Day-Year Symbolism at the Genesis Flood)
Part 4c: (Day-Year Symbolism at the Genesis Flood)

CHARTS: Symbolic Dates Based on the ‘Day-Year Principle’ in Ezekiel (Exile), Exodus (Conquest), and Genesis (Flood)

Below is a record of the discussion of the development pertaining to the Ezekiel Table of Symbolic Dates to ensure there are no misunderstandings about how the final versions were determined. This is particularly important when considering the roles of Tishri and Nisan in dating the fall of Jerusalem, which is debated to have occurred in either 587 or 586 BC. Understanding this context is crucial because it highlights why scholars are split between these two dates. However, there is consensus on other significant dates: 597 BC for the exile of Jeconiah, who is seen as the last rightful heir to the throne from Ezekiel’s perspective, and 593 BC for the call of Ezekiel, as described in Ezekiel chapters 1-4. This background information is essential for comprehending the scholarly debate and the historical timeline.

The final result is found at this link:
https://490d.com/symbolic-dates-based-upon-the-day-year-principle-embedded-in-ezekiel-exile-exodus-conquest-and-genesis-flood/

Unedited Dialogue: Creating the Tables and Introduction to Ezekiel’s Chronology – Day-Year Symbolism and Prophetic Patterns

What I want to do is to take the dates in Ezekiel and create a chart that dates events according to the Autumn Tishri New Year starting point and the Spring Nisan New Year starting point. Here is some background information as a basis to work with: “Characteristics of the New Calendar God gave a new calendar before Israel’s Exodus from Egypt. Exodus 12:2 says, “This month shall be the beginning of months for you; it is to be the first month of the year to you.” First, according to the Western calendar, this day was “April 9th, 1446 BC, but God declared that this day would be the “first day” of the “first month.” Secondly, the new calendar used a lunar calendar, which has “354” days in one year. To synchronize with the solar calendar, the thirteenth month (i.e., Adar II) is inserted seven times over a span of nineteen years. Thirdly, the Israelites used two types of dating systems: First, there is the “Nisan-year,” which is “one year” beginning with the “first of the month” until the “end of the twelfth month.” The Nisan-year calendar is called the “religious” calendar, which is based on the feast. Secondly, there is the “Tishri-year,” which begins on the “seventh month” and lasts until the end of the sixth month. The Tishri-year calendar is referred to as the “civil” calendar.”

Your goal is to create a new chart based on criteria related to the above. However, many of the BC dates assigned to events in the table, as shown now, are incorrect. However, the dates quoted from the Bible are. Your goal is to calculate the new dates based upon the following criteria: 1. The names of the columns are changed slightly in the corrected version that we will be working on: “| Verses | The year of exile | IDatum: Nisan 597 BC | Datum: Tishri 598 BC |” 2. The datum from which everything in Ezekiel is dated is from the Nisan 1st New Year in the spring of 597 BC for the “In-Nisan-years,” but many scholars believe that Ezkeil is dating events from the Tishri 1st New Year in the autumn of 598 BC (half a year earlier). 3. The count of months may cause confusion and thus needs to be handled carefully. The count of months is always numbered from spring, regardless of whether Ezekiel is using the spring Nisan or autumn Tishri starting points as his datum, from which all the dates in the Book of Ezekiel are dated. 4. There are 12 months in a year, which means that because the two datums are half a year apart (six months apart), the month given by Ezekiel will always be the same no matter what datum is used: 598 BC Tishri 1st New Year or half a year later from the datum of 597 BC spring Nisan 1st. This means that from the perspective of the Tishir datum, it’s 12 months run from the 7th-month, 1st day, to the end of the 6th month–one year later. 5. But what can change is the year (not the month)— as we see in the next point… 6. Example: | Ezek 1:2 | 5th year, 4th month, 5th day | 593 | 593 | is the corrected version. Why? Because the “5th year” from the perspective of Datum 597 BC Nisan means +4 years and the remaining three months and 5 days (=5th year, 4th month, 5th day). However, from the perspective of Datumn 598 BC, Tishri means +4 years, with the remaining year spanning just short of 5 years, hence, between the autumn of 594 BC and the autumn of 593 BC. As for the month, see bullet point #4. The month is always dated from Nisan, and the “4th month, 5th day” always lands around the same time of the year no matter what datum, in this case, “4th month, 5th day” corresponds to about some time in late June or early July on the Gregorian calendar. Therefore, because, as said, “the 5 years, hence, between the autumn of 594 BC and the autumn of 593 BC” remains true, the “4th month, 5th day” (which falls in early summer as said) must be in 593 BC from the perspective of the Tisrhri 1st Datumn. Hence, in this case, both datums establish the same year (and month and day). 7. But an example of when the month datum can yield two different dates is “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day | 590 (December) | 589 (December) |” because the “10th month” occurs after autumn, that is, between (as said) the “Tishir datum, it’s 12 months run from the 7th-month, 1st day, to the end of the 6th month–one year later”. The first step for you is to rewrite what I have laid out here regarding the criteria more clearly and succinctly. If it appears that you have understood the criteria for knowing when the year of any event is (in BC), then we will proceed to the next step.

I understand. Let me summarize the criteria for dating events in Ezekiel more concisely:

  1. Two datums are used: Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring) and Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn).
  2. Months are always counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used.
  3. The year count differs based on the datum:
    • For Nisan datum: Add full years passed since 597 BC.
    • For Tishri datum: Add full years passed since 598 BC, but shift to the next year if the month is 7th or later.
  4. The month and day remain the same for both datums, but the year may differ.
  5. Events occurring in months 1-6 will always be in the same year for both datums.
  6. Events in months 7-12 may differ by one year between the datums, with the Tishri datum being one year earlier.

Example: “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to:

  • Nisan datum: 593 BC (597 – 4 = 593)
  • Tishri datum: 593 BC (598 – 5 = 593, no shift needed as it’s before the 7th month)

This framework allows for consistent dating of events in Ezekiel based on either the Nisan or Tishri calendar system.CopyRetry

DC

It appears that you have understood, but let us tweak that slightly: “The year count differs based on the datum: * For Nisan datum: Add full years after 597 BC. * For Tishri datum: Add full years after 598 BC, but shift to the previous year if the month is 7th or later.” * I have changed this to “after” because it is more simply stated and less confusing. * I have changed it to “previous” year because we are talking about BC (not AD), and thus time causes BC date to grow smaller as time goes forward. As such, starting from 598 BC autumn datum contracts the date by one year back in time if after the “7th or later.” Also, it would be good to end off with the second example below the one that you ended with, namely, when I said, “7. But an example of when the month datum can yield two different dates is “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day | 590 (December) | 589 (December) |” because the “10th month” occurs after autumn, that is, between (as said) the “Tishir datum, it’s 12 months run from the 7th-month, 1st day, to the end of the 6th month–one year later”.”

Thank you for the clarification. You’re absolutely right, and I apologize for the confusion. Let me revise the summary with your corrections and additions:

  1. Two datums are used: Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring) and Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn).
  2. Months are always counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used.
  3. The year count differs based on the datum:
    • For Nisan datum: Add full years after 597 BC.
    • For Tishri datum: Add full years after 598 BC, but shift to the previous year if the month is 7th or later.
  4. The month and day remain the same for both datums, but the year may differ.
  5. Events occurring in months 1-6 will always be in the same year for both datums.
  6. Events in months 7-12 may differ by one year between the datums, with the Tishri datum being one year earlier in BC dates.

Examples:

  1. “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 593 BC (597 – 4 = 593)
    • Tishri datum: 593 BC (598 – 5 = 593, no shift needed as it’s before the 7th month)
  2. “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 590 BC (December) (597 – 7 = 590)
    • Tishri datum: 589 BC (December) (598 – 9 = 589, then shift to previous year as it’s after the 7th month)

This framework accounts for the BC date progression and the shift in years for events occurring after the 7th month in the Tishri calendar system.CopyRetry

DC

It appears I may have done my math wrong originally. My apologies. Here is the corrected math that properly complies with the rules: “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day” translates to: * Nisan datum: 589 BC (December) (597 – 8 = 589) * Tishri datum: 590 BC (December) (598 – 8 = 590)”

Thank you for the correction. You’re absolutely right, and I appreciate your attention to detail. Let’s update the example with the correct calculations:

Examples:

  1. “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 593 BC (597 – 4 = 593)
    • Tishri datum: 593 BC (598 – 5 = 593, no shift needed as it’s before the 7th month)
  2. “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 589 BC (December) (597 – 8 = 589)
    • Tishri datum: 590 BC (December) (598 – 8 = 590, no shift because it’s already in the correct year for Tishri counting)

This corrected example better illustrates the principle that events occurring in months 7-12 may differ by one year between the datums, with the Tishri datum being one year later in BC dates for these late-year events.CopyRetry

DC

This is correct. Please look over the rules again to make sure they are coherent and self-consistent. If they are, display them, with the two examples at the end.

I’ve reviewed the rules and they appear to be coherent and self-consistent. Here’s the final version of the rules with the two examples:

  1. Two datums are used: Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring) and Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn).
  2. Months are always counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used.
  3. The year count differs based on the datum:
    • For Nisan datum: Add full years after 597 BC.
    • For Tishri datum: Add full years after 598 BC, but shift to the previous year if the month is 1st to 6th.
  4. The month and day remain the same for both datums, but the year may differ.
  5. Events occurring in months 7-12 will always be in the same year for both datums.
  6. Events in months 1-6 may differ by one year between the datums, with the Tishri datum being one year later in BC dates.

Examples:

  1. “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 593 BC (597 – 4 = 593)
    • Tishri datum: 592 BC (598 – 5 = 593, then shift to previous year as it’s before the 7th month)
  2. “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 589 BC (December) (597 – 8 = 589)
    • Tishri datum: 590 BC (December) (598 – 8 = 590, no shift because it’s after the 6th month)

CopyRetry

DC

Apparently, things got confused. Here is how it should read:

  1. Two datums are used: Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring) and Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn).
  2. Months are always counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used.
  3. The month and day remain the same for both datums, but the year may differ.
  4. The year count differs based on the datum:
    • For Nisan datum: Add full years after 597 BC.
    • For the Tishri datum, Add full years after 598 BC, but due to the third rule, the 7th to 12th month comes before the 1st to 6th.
  5. Events occurring in months 1-6 will always be in the same year for both datums.
  6. Events in months 7-12 will differ by one year between the datums, with the Tishri Datum landing one full year earlier. Examples:
  7. “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 597 BC (597 – 4 = 593)
    • Tishri datum: 598 BC (598 – 4 = 594), then shift to the previous year (593 BC) as it’s after the 6th month (i.e., between mo 1-6)
  8. “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 597 BC (December) (597 – 8 = 589)
    • Tishri datum: 598 BC (December) (598 – 8 = 590, no shift because it’s after the 6th month (i.e., between mo 7-12)

Thank you for the clarification. I understand now. Here’s the corrected version of the rules and examples:

  1. Two datums are used: Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring) and Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn).
  2. Months are always counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used.
  3. The month and day remain the same for both datums, but the year may differ.
  4. The year count differs based on the datum:
    • For Nisan datum: Add full years after 597 BC.
    • For the Tishri datum, Add full years after 598 BC, but due to the third rule, the 7th to 12th month comes before the 1st to 6th.
  5. Events occurring in months 1-6 will always be in the same year for both datums.
  6. Events in months 7-12 will differ by one year between the datums, with the Tishri Datum landing one full year earlier.

Examples:

  1. “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 593 BC (597 – 4 = 593)
    • Tishri datum: 593 BC (598 – 5 = 593), no shift as it’s between months 1-6
  2. “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 589 BC (December) (597 – 8 = 589)
    • Tishri datum: 590 BC (December) (598 – 8 = 590, no shift because it’s between months 7-12)

These rules and examples now accurately reflect the relationship between the Nisan and Tishri datums and how to calculate dates based on each system.CopyRetry

DC

Everything else is correct except for this: Examples: 1. “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to: * Nisan datum: 593 BC (597 – 4 = 593) * Tishri datum: 593 BC (598 – 4 = 594, but – 1 more year = 593, because “4th mo” lands after months 7-12 Although this is correct, it is confusing. Perhaps a better emphasis for Tishri datum 598 BC is to state that the remaining partial year after the full “X” years spans mo 7-12, then 1-6, autumn to autumn, or something like that?

You’re right, and I appreciate your guidance. Let’s revise the example with a clearer explanation:

Examples:

  1. “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 593 BC (597 – 4 = 593)
    • Tishri datum: 593 BC (598 – 5 = 593) Explanation: In Tishri counting, the 5th year spans from Tishri 594 BC to Tishri 593 BC. The 4th month falls in the latter half of this year (after months 7-12), so it’s in 593 BC.
  2. “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 589 BC (December) (597 – 8 = 589)
    • Tishri datum: 590 BC (December) (598 – 8 = 590) Explanation: In Tishri counting, the 9th year spans from Tishri 590 BC to Tishri 589 BC. The 10th month falls in the first half of this year (within months 7-12), so it’s in 590 BC.

This approach emphasizes that each year in the Tishri datum spans autumn to autumn, with months 7-12 coming before months 1-6 in the same year. It should help clarify the calculation process for both datums.CopyRetry

DC

Yes, that does help a lot! The examples are perfect. Now we just need to pass on this clarity to the original outline–How might we improve on the below outline for greater clarity to avoid confusion? * Two datums are used: Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring) and Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn). * Months are always counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used. * The month and day remain the same for both datums, but the year may differ. * The year count differs based on the datum: * For Nisan datum: Add full years after 597 BC. * For the Tishri datum, Add full years after 598 BC, but due to the third rule, the 7th to 12th month comes before the 1st to 6th. * Events occurring in months 1-6 will always be in the same year for both datums. * Events in months 7-12 will differ by one year between the datums, with the Tishri Datum landing one full year earlier.

Here’s an improved outline with greater clarity:

  1. Two datums are used:
    • Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring)
    • Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn)
  2. Month counting:
    • Months are always counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used.
    • The month and day remain the same for both datums, but the year may differ.
  3. Year calculation:
    • For Nisan datum: Subtract full years from 597 BC.
    • For Tishri datum: Subtract full years from 598 BC.
    • In Tishri counting, each year spans autumn to autumn (Tishri to Elul).
  4. Year alignment:
    • For Tishri datum, months 7-12 come before months 1-6 in the same year.
    • Events in months 1-6 will be in the same year for both datums.
    • Events in months 7-12 will be one year earlier in the Tishri datum compared to the Nisan datum.
  5. Calculation process:
    • For Nisan datum: Simply subtract years from 597 BC.
    • For Tishri datum:
      • Subtract years from 598 BC.
      • If the event is in months 1-6, shift one year earlier.
      • If the event is in months 7-12, keep the calculated year.

This revised outline provides a step-by-step approach to understanding and calculating dates using both datums, emphasizing the autumn-to-autumn span of the Tishri year and clarifying when to adjust the year in Tishri calculations.CopyRetry

DC

It is still not quite right. That’s OK. We are refining as we go. Perhaps we can approach the calculation process something like this, which should yield the same outcome? * Calculation process: * For Nisan datum: Simply subtract years from 597 BC. * For Tishri datum: * Subtract full years from 598 BC. * How to calculate partial year: * If the event is in months 1-6, add six months after autumn, then count mo 1-6 as normal from spring. * If the event is in months 7-12, subtract six months before autumn, then count to months 7-12 normal from the previous spring.

Your approach is excellent and provides a clearer understanding of how to handle the partial year in the Tishri datum. Let’s incorporate this into our outline:

  1. Two datums are used:
    • Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring)
    • Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn)
  2. Month counting:
    • Months are always counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used.
    • The month and day remain the same for both datums, but the year may differ.
  3. Year calculation:
    • For Nisan datum: Subtract full years from 597 BC.
    • For Tishri datum: Subtract full years from 598 BC.
    • In Tishri counting, each year spans autumn to autumn (Tishri to Elul).
  4. Calculation process:
    • For Nisan datum: Simply subtract years from 597 BC.
    • For Tishri datum:
      • Subtract full years from 598 BC.
      • For the partial year:
        • If the event is in months 1-6, add six months after autumn, then count months 1-6 as normal from spring.
        • If the event is in months 7-12, subtract six months before autumn, then count to months 7-12 normally from the previous spring.
  5. Year alignment:
    • Events in months 1-6 will be in the same year for both datums.
    • Events in months 7-12 will be one year earlier in the Tishri datum compared to the Nisan datum.

This revised outline incorporates your suggested calculation process, which provides a more intuitive understanding of how to handle the partial year in the Tishri datum. It should help users visualize the autumn-to-autumn span of the Tishri year and correctly calculate dates in both systems.CopyRetry

DC

I have abbreviated the instructions. Hopefully, they are clear enough once those two examples are included at the end. * Two datums are used: * Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring to spring) * Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn to autumn) * Month counting: * Months are counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used– only the year may differ. * Special Tishri calculation: * Subtract full years from 598 BC as usual. * For the partial year: * If the event is in months 1-6, add six months after autumn, then count months 1-6 as normal from spring. * If the event is in months 7-12, subtract six months before autumn, then count to months 7-12 normally from the previous spring. * Year alignment: * Events in months 1-6 will be in the same year for both datums. * Events in months 7-12 will be one year earlier in the Tishri datum compared to the Nisan datum.

Your abbreviated instructions are clear and concise. They capture the essence of the dating system effectively. Let’s include the two examples to complete the set of instructions:

  • Two datums are used:
    • Nisan 1st, 597 BC (spring to spring)
    • Tishri 1st, 598 BC (autumn to autumn)
  • Month counting:
    • Months are counted from spring (Nisan), regardless of which datum is used– only the year may differ.
    • Special Tishri calculation:
      • Subtract full years from 598 BC as usual.
      • For the partial year:
        • If the event is in months 1-6, add six months after autumn, then count months 1-6 as normal from spring.
        • If the event is in months 7-12, subtract six months before autumn, then count to months 7-12 normally from the previous spring.
  • Year alignment:
    • Events in months 1-6 will be in the same year for both datums.
    • Events in months 7-12 will be one year earlier in the Tishri datum compared to the Nisan datum.

Examples:

  1. “5th year, 4th month, 5th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 593 BC (597 – 4 = 593)
    • Tishri datum: 593 BC (598 – 5 = 593) Explanation: In Tishri counting, the 5th year spans from Tishri 594 BC to Tishri 593 BC. The 4th month falls in the latter half of this year (after months 7-12), so it’s in 593 BC.
  2. “Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day” translates to:
    • Nisan datum: 589 BC (December) (597 – 8 = 589)
    • Tishri datum: 590 BC (December) (598 – 8 = 590) Explanation: In Tishri counting, the 9th year spans from Tishri 590 BC to Tishri 589 BC. The 10th month falls in the first half of this year (within months 7-12), so it’s in 590 BC.

These instructions, combined with the examples, should provide a clear and comprehensive guide for calculating dates using both the Nisan and Tishri datums.CopyRetry

DC

Now that the guidelines are complete, calculate the correct dates for the following according to the guidelines with the two examples. Consider the years presented below as likely wrong and need correction. After the corrected table, explain how you came to each date one at a time. Review the table a second time and if correct make no changes, but if incorrect make needed changes. ————————————— | Verses | The year of exile | Tishri Datumn, 598 BC | Nisan Datumn, 597 BC | |——–|——————-|—————-|—————–| | Ezek 1:2 | 5th year, 4th month, 5th day | 592 | 593 | | Ezek 8:1 | 6th year, 6th month, 5th day | 591 | 592 | | Ezek 20:1 | 7th year, 5th month, 10th day | 590 | 591 | | Ezek 24:1 | 9th year, 10th month, 10th day | 588 | 588 | | Ezek 26:1 | 11th year, ? month, 1st day | 586 | 587 or 586 | | Ezek 29:1 | 10th year, 10th month, 12th day | 587 | 587 | | Ezek 29:17 | 27th year, 1st month, 1st day | 570 | 571 | | Ezek 30:20 | 11th year, 1st month, 7th day | 586 | 587 | | Ezek 31:1 | 11th year, 3rd month, 1st day | 586 | 587 | | Ezek 32:1 | 12th year, 12th month, 1st day | 585 | 585 | | Ezek 32:17 | 12th year, ? Month, 15th day | 585 | 585 (if 12th mo.) | | Ezek 33:21 | 12th year, 10th month, 5th day | 585 | 585 | | Ezek 40:1 | 25th year, 1st month, 10th day | 572 | 573 | ——————

Here’s the corrected table based on the guidelines:

VersesThe year of exileTishri Datum, 598 BCNisan Datum, 597 BCEzek 1:25th year, 4th month, 5th day593593Ezek 8:16th year, 6th month, 5th day592592Ezek 20:17th year, 5th month, 10th day591591Ezek 24:19th year, 10th month, 10th day590589Ezek 26:111th year, ? month, 1st day588 or 587587Ezek 29:110th year, 10th month, 12th day589588Ezek 29:1727th year, 1st month, 1st day571571Ezek 30:2011th year, 1st month, 7th day587587Ezek 31:111th year, 3rd month, 1st day587587Ezek 32:112th year, 12th month, 1st day587586Ezek 32:1712th year, ? Month, 15th day587 or 586586Ezek 33:2112th year, 10th month, 5th day587586Ezek 40:125th year, 1st month, 10th day573573

Explanation for each date:

  1. Ezek 1:2: 593 BC for both datums (5th year, 4th month is in the latter half of the Tishri year)
  2. Ezek 8:1: 592 BC for both (6th year, 6th month is in the latter half of the Tishri year)
  3. Ezek 20:1: 591 BC for both (7th year, 5th month is in the latter half of the Tishri year)
  4. Ezek 24:1: Tishri 590 BC, Nisan 589 BC (9th year, 10th month is in the first half of the Tishri year)
  5. Ezek 26:1: Tishri 588/587 BC (depends on the month), Nisan 587 BC
  6. Ezek 29:1: Tishri 589 BC, Nisan 588 BC (10th year, 10th month is in the first half of the Tishri year)
  7. Ezek 29:17: 571 BC for both (27th year, 1st month is in the latter half of the Tishri year)
  8. Ezek 30:20: 587 BC for both (11th year, 1st month is in the latter half of the Tishri year)
  9. Ezek 31:1: 587 BC for both (11th year, 3rd month is in the latter half of the Tishri year)
  10. Ezek 32:1: Tishri 587 BC, Nisan 586 BC (12th year, 12th month is in the first half of the Tishri year)
  11. Ezek 32:17: Tishri 587/586 BC (depends on the month), Nisan 586 BC
  12. Ezek 33:21: Tishri 587 BC, Nisan 586 BC (12th year, 10th month is in the first half of the Tishri year)
  13. Ezek 40:1: 573 BC for both (25th year, 1st month is in the latter half of the Tishri year)

After reviewing the table a second time, I believe the calculations are correct based on the given guidelines.CopyRetry

DC

For the sake of added clarity, include the approximate corresponding modern month. Here is a useful chart for you to use and figure this out:

The Hebrew Months (Tishri to Tishri) Month Number Name Time According to the Gregorian calendar Jewish Holidays 7th. Tishri September – October Rosh Hashana, Yom Kippur, Sukkot 8th Heshvan October – November 9th. Kislev November – December Hanukah 10th. Tevet December – January Tevet 10 Fast 11th. Shvat January – February Tu Bishvat 12th. Adar Feb- March Purim, Esther Fast 1st. Nissan March – April Passover 2nd. Iyar April – May Pessah Sheni, Lag Ba’omer 3rd. Sivan May – June Shavu’ot 4th. Tamuz June – July Tamuz 17 (Fast day) 5th. Av July – August Av 9 (Fast day) 6th. Elul August – September High Holy Days

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Also, include another column that describes the event associated with each date scaped from the below table. (Ignore the below dates which may or may not be accurate.) Condense each description so that the chart is not too wide.

TIMELINE OF EZEKIEL from Biblehub

593 BC Ezekiel’s Prophecy at Chebar Ezekiel 1 593 BC Ezekiel’s Calling and Instruction Ezekiel 2 593 BC Ezekiel Eats the Scroll Ezekiel 3 593 BC Ezekiel Foretells Siege of Jerusalem Ezekiel 4, 5 593 BC Ezekiel’s Vision of the End Ezekiel 6, 7 592 BC Ezekiel’s First Temple Vision Ezekiel 8 – 19 591 BC Ezekiel Sees God Refuse the Elders Ezekiel 20 591 BC Ezekiel Prophesies against Jerusalem Ezekiel 21, 22 591 BC Ezekiel Prophesies against two Sisters Ezekiel 23 588 BC Siege of Jerusalem Begins Ezekiel 24 587 BC God’s Vengeance on Ammon and Edom Ezekiel 25 586 BC Ezekiel Pronounces Judgment on Tyre Ezekiel 26 – 28 586 BC Ezekiel Prophesies against Egypt Ezekiel 29 – 32 586 BC Ezekiel the Watchman Ezekiel 33 585 BC Ezekiel Explains Jerusalem’s Fall Ezekiel 33:21 585 BC Ezekiel Foresees Reproof and Restoration Ezekiel 34 – 36 585 BC Ezekiel Sees Resurrection of Dry Bones Ezekiel 37 585 BC Ezekiel Sees Future battle Ezekiel 38 585 BC Ezekiel Sees God’s judgment upon Gog Ezekiel 39 573 BC Ezekiel’s Second Temple Vision Ezekiel 40 – 48

Certainly. I’ll incorporate the approximate modern months and add a condensed description of the events. Here’s the updated table:

VersesThe year of exileTishri Datum, 598 BCNisan Datum, 597 BCApprox. Modern MonthEvent DescriptionEzek 1:25th year, 4th month, 5th day593593June/JulyVision at ChebarEzek 8:16th year, 6th month, 5th day592592August/SeptemberFirst Temple visionEzek 20:17th year, 5th month, 10th day591591July/AugustGod refuses eldersEzek 24:19th year, 10th month, 10th day590589December/JanuarySiege of Jerusalem beginsEzek 26:111th year, ? month, 1st day588 or 587587UnknownJudgment on TyreEzek 29:110th year, 10th month, 12th day589588December/JanuaryProphecy against EgyptEzek 29:1727th year, 1st month, 1st day571571March/AprilFurther Egypt prophecyEzek 30:2011th year, 1st month, 7th day587587March/AprilEgypt prophecy continuedEzek 31:111th year, 3rd month, 1st day587587May/JuneEgypt prophecy continuedEzek 32:112th year, 12th month, 1st day587586February/MarchEgypt prophecy continuedEzek 32:1712th year, ? Month, 15th day587 or 586586UnknownLament for EgyptEzek 33:2112th year, 10th month, 5th day587586December/JanuaryNews of Jerusalem's fallEzek 40:125th year, 1st month, 10th day573573March/AprilSecond Temple vision

Note: The approximate modern months are based on the Hebrew calendar’s alignment with the Gregorian calendar, which can vary slightly from year to year. The events are condensed descriptions based on the timeline provided.

That was an experiment to see if the template moves forward in time with the same day counts or shifts according to when the leap month falls. I still don’t know what the case is.For this reason, we will do our study strictly using the count of days in Ezekiel’s original template, but may refer to the table created for years 1943-1955 as a footnote.
Moreover, the Tishri Datums I consider as of secondary importance as the Nisan dates in Ezekiel in plain agreement with the months also counted from Nisan, to me, are the primary model. But I have always taken the view that when the Bible is ambiguous, it is ambiguous on purpose, with that purpose being to include both as meaningful. After all, we are asking ourselves the question, “Is there a reason behind the choice of dates within the Bible, particularly within Ezekiel?” To streamline this question, we include in our table just the dates in Ezekiel directly tied to the siege of Ezekiel and the actual siege. This includes the arrival of the first refugee after the fall of Jerusalem and the Negative temple vision of Ezekiel 8:1 because it is directly tied to Chapter One and occurs during the final 40 days that Ezekiel laid on his side to bear the sins of the house of Judah as per Chapter 4. “A day is as a year.” God Himself set a precedent by telling Ezekiel that every day that he laid on his side symbolized one year of the sin of the house of Israel and of Judah. This, in turn, takes its cue from the 40 days that the spies spied out the land after the Exodus and the subsequent 40 years of Wilderness Wandering “one year for each day of their sin.”
Before we begin the analysis, do you understand what I have said so far, or do you need further clarification?
Another thing to bear in mind is that minus-day counts such as “-2455” are the astronomical equivalent of the year 2456 BC. Positive values remain the same and represent AD.
————————–Yes, I understand what you’ve explained. Let me summarize the key points to ensure I’ve grasped everything correctly:

We’re focusing on the original template of dates in Ezekiel, rather than the 1943-1955 projection, due to uncertainty about how leap months might affect the day counts in the future.
While both Tishri and Nisan datums are included, you consider the Nisan dates as primary, aligning with Ezekiel’s month counting from Nisan. However, both are seen as potentially meaningful due to the Bible’s intentional ambiguity.
We’re streamlining the analysis to focus on dates in Ezekiel directly related to the siege, including the arrival of the first refugee and the Negative Temple vision in Ezekiel 8:1.
The principle of “a day is as a year” is crucial, based on God’s instructions to Ezekiel and the earlier precedent with the spies after the Exodus.
In the astronomical dating system, negative day counts represent BC years (e.g., -2455 is equivalent to 2456 BC), while positive values represent AD years.
The goal is to examine whether there’s a purposeful reason behind the choice of dates in Ezekiel, particularly those related to the siege.

Is this understanding correct? If so, I’m ready to proceed with the analysis of the streamlined data focusing on the siege-related dates in Ezekiel. If you need any clarification or have additional points to add, please let me know. CopyRetryDCOne other principle to add to all of this is that the seven days that Ezekiel sat overwhelmed, after which he began his vigil before a model of Jerusalem for 390 + 40 days — this seven-day period is transferred forward to all the dates in Ezekiel (not just the ones we will be using). This is similar to the transferring of the 2540 years into the future.
What do I mean by this?
Each of the seven days of Ezekiel’s call represents the next seven years. Think of it as a week of time that is being identified by each date in Ezekiel—a concept found also in the Book of Jubilees. So, for example: Take the fall of the Jerusalem:According to the biblical account, Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians on the 9th day of the fourth month, which corresponds to the month of Tammuz in the Hebrew calendar. This is recorded in Jeremiah 52:6-7: “By the ninth day of the fourth month the famine in the city had become so severe that there was no food for the people to eat. Then the city wall was broken through, and the whole army fled.”
To be precise, the Bible says that this happened during the night. “Then the city wall was broken through, and the whole army fled. They left the city at night through the gate between the two walls near the king’s garden, though the Babylonians were surrounding the city. They fled toward the Arabah,”Because the Jewish day is from evening to evening, thus, at “night” means sometime during the first half of the day. This means that let’s say, 9 PM of the 9th of Tammuz corresponds to the middle of the week from the 5th to 12th day, 586 BC (5th + 3.5 days = 9th-day beginning). The middle of the week is an important concept to do with being cut off (Daniel 9:24-27), and thus exactly to the day seven years earlier in the middle of the week of Ezekiel’s seven-day call (Tammuz 5 – 12th, that is, the 4th month, 5th day to the 12th day), 593 BC. Thus, the position of an event within the week for any date within Ezekiel is important because, as in this case, the middle of the week also signified the middle of the week of years that span from 593 – 586 BC. Remember, our goal is to understand the template, not tell Ezekiel how to do things!EditI understand. This is a very important principle you’ve added. Let me summarize this new concept to ensure I’ve grasped it correctly:

The seven-day period when Ezekiel sat overwhelmed (Ezek 3:15) serves as a template that is applied to all dates in Ezekiel’s prophecies.
Each of these seven days symbolically represents the next seven years, creating a “week of time” for each date mentioned in Ezekiel.
This concept is similar to the idea found in the Book of Jubilees, where larger time periods are broken down into symbolic weeks.
The position of an event within this symbolic week is significant, as it corresponds to the same position within the seven-year period it represents.
For example, the fall of Jerusalem on the 9th of Tammuz (4th month) corresponds to the middle of the week (3.5 days in) in both the seven-day period and the seven-year period from 593 BC to 586 BC.
This alignment emphasizes the concept of being “cut off in the middle of the week,” which relates to Daniel 9:24-27.
The goal is to understand this template as Ezekiel presents it, not to impose our own understanding onto it.

This principle adds a deeper layer of symbolism and structure to Ezekiel’s prophecies, connecting individual dates to larger patterns of years. It also provides a framework for understanding how specific events in Ezekiel’s timeline might correspond to broader historical periods.
Is this understanding correct? And are we ready to apply this principle to our analysis of the siege-related dates in Ezekiel? CopyRetryDCYou amaze me! Once again, you have understood complex concepts correctly!
Now we can proceed. But first, I want to submit the basic regular chronology found in the MT Bible that you likely have in memory, but I include it just to be sure that we are on the same page. It is the standard chronology using the 966 BC Solomon Temple date with its 1446 BC Exodus and 430 years in Egypt when Israel and its sons sojourned there at 130 years of age. Thus, 130 + 60 years to Isaac’s birth, + 100 to Abraham’s birth puts Abraham’s birth at 2166 BC, the same date found in a great many chronologies based upon the 1446 BC Exodus date.—————————
Masoretic Text-“MT”
“Years Lived,” Begetting Age,” and “Remaining Years” for the MT from Adam to Moses are at the end of this page.
(MT) Creation to the Flood
Patriarch/Event Lifespan (BC) Years Lived Key Events
Creation 4121 – 4114 7 Seven days of Creation as years
Adam 4114 – 3184 930
Seth 3984 – 3072 912
Enosh 3879 – 2974 905
Kenan 3789 – 2879 910
Mahalalel 3719 – 2824 895
Jared 3654 – 2692 962
Enoch 3492 – 3127 365
Methuselah 3427 – 2458 969
Lamech 3240 – 2463 777
Noah 3058 – 2108 950 See below note
“120 yrs to Flood”(2578-2458)
FLOOD (2458 – 2457)
Post-Flood to Abraham
Shem 2556 – 1956 600 See notes for Noah & Shem in LXX table concerning “2-yrs”
Arphaxad 2456 – 2018 438
Salah 2421 – 1988 433
Eber 2391 – 1927 464
Peleg 2357 – 2118 239 Tower of Babel (2357 BC)
Reu 2327 – 2088 239
Serug 2295 – 2065 230
Nahor 2265 – 2117 148
Terah 2236 – 2031 205
Patriarchal Period
Abraham 2166 – 1991 175 Call of Abram (2091 BC),
Covenant of Pieces (2081 BC),
Covenant of Circumcision &
Destruction of Sodom (2067 BC)
Sarah 2156 – 2029 127
Ishmael 2080 – 1943 137
Isaac 2066 – 1886 180 Wedding of Isaac (2026 BC)
Jacob 2006 – 1859 147 Jacob flees Esau (1929 BC)
Jacob works for wives (1929-1922-1915 BC)
Jacob returns to Canaan (1909 BC)
Esau 2006 – ? – Esau marries (1966 BC)
Levi 1919 – 1782 137
Judah 1918 – 1789 129 Death year per tradition
Joseph 1915 – 1805 110 Joseph sold as slave (1898 BC)
7 years plenty (1885-1878 BC)
7 years famine (1878-1871 BC)
Benjamin 1906 – ? – Birth of Benjamin (likely 1906 BC)
Egypt to Exodus
Israelites in Egypt 1876 – 1446 430
Kohath – 133
Amram – 137
Aaron 1529 – 1406 123 Birth (summer of 1530 exact)
Death (summer of 1407)
Moses 1526 – 1406 120 Birth (winter of 1526 exact)
Flees to Midian (1486 BC)
Exodus (1446 BC)
Tabernacle (1445 BC)
Death (winter of 1406)
Conquest (1406-1400 BC)
First Sabbath year of rest (1399 BC)
Conquest and Judges
Joshua, “And also וְגַם
all that GENERATION died” (Judges 2:9-10) 1476 – 1366 110 “Generation” of 40-yrs implied (1406-1366)
United Monarchy
Saul’s Reign 1050 – 1010 40
David’s Reign 1010 – 970 40
Solomon’s Reign 970 – 930 40 Solomon’s Temple (966-959 BC)
Divided Kingdom to Exile
Fall of Samaria 722 or 721 – Northern Kingdom falls
Siege of Jerusalem 701 – By Sennacherib
First Babylonian Deportation 605 – Including Daniel
Second Babylonian Deportation 597 – Including Ezekiel
Fall of Jerusalem 586 or 587 – Temple destruction
Exile and Return
Fall of Babylon 539 – September
Decree of Cyrus 538 or 537 – Jews return from Babylon
Rebuilding of the Temple 520 – 516 or 515 3.5-4.5
Purim 473 – Time of Esther
Ezra’s return to Jerusalem 458 or 457 –
Nehemiah rebuilds Jerusalem’s walls 445 or 444 –
Hanukkah 168 – 165 or 167 – 164 3-4 “Abomination of desolation”
New Testament and Modern Times
Herod’s temple construction begins 20 –
John the Baptist & Jesus born 6 – 4 – Conceptions & births
Jesus’ ministry 26 – 30 AD or 29 – 33 AD 3.5 Ending on Passover
Fall of Jerusalem to Romans 66 – 70 AD 4
Bar Kochba revolt 132 – 135 AD 3 Final dispersion
Israel becomes a nation again 1948 AD –
Jerusalem under Israel’s control 1967 AD –
Notes:

  1. The MT states the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years (1876-1446 BC), excluding time in Canaan or Haran. The LXX and SP include time in Canaan, reducing the timeline by 215 years for all dates from Adam to Israel’s entry into Egypt (1661-1446 BC).
  2. All dates from Adam to Terah can be extended by 60 years due to the claim that Terah died the year Abraham left Haran and Ur (Acts 7).EditThank you for providing this comprehensive chronology based on the Masoretic Text (MT). I’ve reviewed it and understand that this is the standard chronology we’ll be using as our baseline. Key points to note:

Creation date: 4121-4114 BC
Flood: 2458-2457 BC
Abraham’s birth: 2166 BC
Israel enters Egypt: 1876 BC
Exodus: 1446 BC
Solomon’s Temple construction begins: 966 BC
Fall of Jerusalem: 586 or 587 BC

This chronology aligns with the 430-year sojourn in Egypt and the 1446 BC Exodus date, which are crucial for understanding the timeline of events in Ezekiel.
I also note the additional information about potential adjustments, such as:

The possibility of extending dates from Adam to Terah by 60 years based on Acts 7.
The difference between the MT and LXX/SP regarding the time in Egypt (430 years vs. 215 years).

With this baseline established, we can proceed to analyze the siege-related dates in Ezekiel, keeping in mind both the standard chronology and the symbolic seven-day/seven-year pattern we discussed earlier.
Are there specific events or date ranges within Ezekiel that you’d like to focus on first in our analysis? CopyRetryDCAdd 51510 days to ech of the following Julian Day Numbers.
1503251.5
1503336.75
1503431.5
1503432.5
1504996.5
1505386.5
1505416.5
1505426.5
1506256.5
1506616.5
1507186.75
1507216.75
1507271.5
1507366.5
1507451.5
1507546.75
1507576.75
1507726.5EditCertainly. I’ll add 51510 days to each of the Julian Day Numbers you provided:
1503251.5 + 51510 = 1554761.5
1503336.75 + 51510 = 1554846.75
1503431.5 + 51510 = 1554941.5
1503432.5 + 51510 = 1554942.5
1504996.5 + 51510 = 1556506.5
1505386.5 + 51510 = 1556896.5
1505416.5 + 51510 = 1556926.5
1505426.5 + 51510 = 1556936.5
1506256.5 + 51510 = 1557766.5
1506616.5 + 51510 = 1558126.5
1507186.75 + 51510 = 1558696.75
1507216.75 + 51510 = 1558726.75
1507271.5 + 51510 = 1558781.5
1507366.5 + 51510 = 1558876.5
1507451.5 + 51510 = 1558961.5
1507546.75 + 51510 = 1559056.75
1507576.75 + 51510 = 1559086.75
1507726.5 + 51510 = 1559236.5
These new Julian Day Numbers represent dates 51510 days later than the original dates. Is there anything specific you’d like me to do with these new numbers? CopyRetryJulian Day # Verses Event Ezek’s Dates & Yr (BC)
1554731.5 A) Tishri Datum (Jecon’s exile) 457 BC
1554846.5 2Ch 36:9-10; 2Kg 24:8 Jecon 3mo/3mo10d reign 9/25 (Nov 30) 3mo/3mo10d, 457 BC

1554941.5 pastedDCFill in the four missing columns of Datumn A to D just like before.

Julian Day # Verses Event Ezek’s Dates & Yr (BC) Datum “A” Datum “B”
Datum “C” Datum “D”Certainly. I’ll fill in the four missing columns (Datum “A” to “D”) for the table, calculating the number of days from each datum to the event date. Here’s the updated table:
Julian Day #VersesEventEzek’s Dates & Yr (BC)Datum “A”Datum “B”Datum “C”Datum “D”1554731.5A) Tishri Datum (Jecon’s exile)457 BC0-210-4050-42301554846.52Ch 36:9-10; 2Kg 24:8Jecon 3mo/3mo10d reign9/25 (Nov 30) 3mo/3mo10d, 457 BC115-95-3935-41151554941.5B) Nisan Datum (Jecon’s exile)456 BC2100-3840-40201556476.5Ezek 1-4″7-d” Vision5th yr, 4th mo, 5th-(12th) d, 452 BC17451535-2305-24851556866.5Ezek 1-4″7-d” Vision +390 d6th yr, 5th mo, 5th-(12th) d, 451 BC21351925-1915-20951556896.5Ezek 8:11st Temple vision6th yr, 6th mo, 5th d, 451 BC21651955-1885-20651556906.5Ezek 1-4″7-d” Vision +390+40=430 d5th yr, 4th mo, 5th-(12th) d, 451 BC21751965-1875-20551557766.5Ezek 24:12.) Siege of Jrslm begins9th yr, 10th mo, 5th d, 449 BC30352825-1015-11951558126.5Ezek 24:11.) Siege of Jrslm begins9th yr, 10th mo, 5th d, 448 BC33953185-655-8351558696.52a.) Fall of Jrslm. Bab Exile4/5 (Jun 10), 446 BC39653755-85-2651558726.52b.) Temple destroyed5/5 (Jul 10), 446 BC39953785-55-2351558781.5C) Tishri Datum (Zed’s exile)446 BC405038400-1801558876.5Ezek 33:212.) 1st Refugee Post-Fall12th yr, 10th mo, 5th d, 446 BC4145393595-851558961.5D) Nisan Datum (Zed’s exile)445 BC4230402018001559056.51a.) Fall of Jrslm. Bab Exile4/5 (Jun 10), 445 BC43254115275951559086.51b.) Temple destroyed5/5 (Jul 10), 445 BC435541453051251559236.5Ezek 33:211.) 1st Refugee Post-Fall12th yr, 10th mo, 5th d, 445 BC45054295455275
The calculations for each datum column are based on the number of days between the datum date and the event date. Negative numbers indicate days before the datum, while positive numbers indicate days after the datum.

The final result of the discussion regarding the table of symbolic dates within Ezekiel is found at this link:
https://490d.com/symbolic-dates-based-upon-the-day-year-principle-embedded-in-ezekiel-exile-exodus-conquest-and-genesis-flood/

Part 1a: Click here for Charts and Tables

Part 1b: Constructing the Ezekiel Day-Year Symbolic Chart: Methodology and Historical Context
Part 2a (Day-Year Symbolism in Ezekiel)
Part 2b (Day-Year Symbolism in Ezekiel)
Part 2c (Day-Year Symbolism in Ezekiel)
Part 3: (Day-Year Symbolism at the Exodus and Conquest)
Part 4a: (Day-Year Symbolism at the Genesis Flood)
Part 4b: (Day-Year Symbolism at the Genesis Flood)
Part 4c: (Day-Year Symbolism at the Genesis Flood)